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Three Elements of Great Communication, According to Aristotle

Three Elements of Great Communication,

According to Aristotle

In my nearly 20 years of work in organization development, I've never heard anyone say that a leader communicated too much or too well. On the contrary, the most common improvement suggestion I've seen offered up on the thousands of 360 evaluations I've reviewed over the years is that it would be better if the subject in question learned to communicate more effectively.

What makes someone a good communicator? There's no mystery here, not since Aristotle identified the three critical elements — ethos, pathos, and logos. — thousands of years ago.

Ethos is essentially your credibility — that is, the reason people should believe what you're saying. In writing this blog I made an effort to demonstrate my ethos in the introduction, and here I'll just add that I have a degree in communication studies (emphasis in rhetoric for those who want the details) for good measure. In some cases, ethos comes merely from your rank within an organization. More commonly, though, today's leaders build ethos most effectively by demonstrating technical expertise in a specific area (which helps convince people that you know what you're talking about), and by displaying strong levels of integrity and character (which convinces them that you're not going to lie to them even though, since you know more than they do, you might get away with it).

Pathos is making an emotional connection — essentially, the reason people believe that what you're saying will matter to them. I've written here before about the importance and the power of making emotional bonds (more ethos?) and why I believe this to be a critical area of competence for present-day leaders. Giving people your undivided attention, taking an active interest in your team members' career development, and being enthusiastic about both the organization's progress and the individuals who enable it are ways that leaders do this well. At the end of the day, pathos has the greatest influence on followers' perception of their leader's effectiveness as a communicator.

But all the authority and empathy in the world won't really help you if people don't understand what you're talking about or how you came to your conclusions. Logos is your mode for appealing to others' sense of reason, ergo the term logic. Employing strengths in strategic thinking, problem solving, and analytical skills are how today's leaders express logical ideas in clear and compelling enough terms to influence outcomes. While some people can get by on gut feel, as Steve Jobs famously tried to convince us he did, most leaders are required to provide some kind of analysis to make clear their decisions. This is where many leaders feel on the firmest ground — when assembling and analyzing data to address organizational problems. A caveat, though — assembling facts is not the same as presenting them clearly (here talking in complete sentences helps a lot), or marshaling them expressly to demonstrate the merits of a course of action. Facts do not speak for themselves, which is sad, since it would save so much time if they did. Effective leaders know the effort and time spent making explicit the connections they're drawing from the data to the analysis to their conclusion are well worth it.

These three elements of communication reinforce one another. You may rely heavily on data and analysis (logos) to make a point and in so doing create a perception of expertise and authority on a topic (ethos). And while all three are necessary to excellent communication, improving your ability to do any one of them will help you become a better communicator and so a better leader. Combining them is the path to achieving the greatest success.

Showing 99 comments farisya shukor 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

  • Hi Scott,

    Thank you for sharing your insights.Will share your piece on my Facebook,Twitter and Linked In :)
    Kind Regards,

    Farisya

    PR Consultant

    Kuala Lumpur - Malaysia

  • DREA 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand
  • Although your article is about being a better communicator the actual content was not clearly communicated. Consideration of your audience should be reflected in any argument when using pathos, logos, and ethos. These elements of rhetoric are inextricably linked.

  • lalala 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Ethos, pathos and logos are not separable, they are not sequential either because pathos and logos to be able to build  ethos. An analogy to that is; its like a triangle, these 3 are interdependent. That is, no matter how logical (logos) or sympathetic(pathos) certain article is, if it fails to establish ethos, then its hard to persuade an audience effectively.  Good article!

  • Kingsgaurd07 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Scott,

    This was a well written article and your application of the elements to modern day business communication is useful. However, I think that you haven't added enough information to make this applicable to a breadth of situations. The main oversight is the use of the elements in a variety of situations. Although all three elements should be given equal weight in preparing your communication, consideration must be given to your audience. In some arenas you may focus on one element more than others. For example, if you are talking to a group of people who already support you, you don't need to spend much time on establishing your ethos but would most likely focus on pathos.

  • Bro 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

     Scott,

    In your article you state "At the end of the day, pathos has the greatest influence on followers'
    perception of their leader's effectiveness as a communicator." We strongly disagree with this statement. The amount of ethose, pathos, or logos used within an argument depends heavily on the audience. Aristotle stressed the importance of knowing your audience. Not all people will be most effectively persuaded by pathos.

    You are making a blanket statement that pathos always has the greatest influence on a person's perception of effective communication when certain situations demand a greater focus on one of the other proofs.For example, if attempting to persuade a scientific community, a focus on pathos would not be as effective as a focus on logos and/or ethos.

  • DSheeks 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Scott,
    Although your article raises some valuable points, there are some areas where the effectiveness is missed.  It is understandable, however, that the points are not fully developed due to the shortened nature of the article.  That being said, there are some assumptions and misconceptions used that can lead to confusion.  In reference to Ethos, you address the individual's rank within the organization(Situated Ethos) but you neglect to address the constructed Ethos individuals must produce with an audience they do not know.  Furthermore, your Pathos description more ties in with Ethos and the aspect of displaying goodwill toward the audience.  A common misconception that I believe you fell into is that Ethos, Pathos, and Logos are of three separate entities.  Aristotle stresses the interdependence of the three in that Pathos and Logos help to establish Ethos, and Ethos being dependent on the other two.  Moreover, I believe the article is represented as too simplistic for the Harvard Business Journal and you own Ethos can suffer by not coming across as articulate to your audience.  

  • Dwjmarion 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    I agree that this is well known.

  • Dijithpanicker 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Very interesting article..i liked the language too..

  • Suresh 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Content is the king of communication.

  • Grayvivienne 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Thanks Scott,

    I am a Reiki Teacher about to write a short editorial or even an Open Stage Audience now what is Reiki. I admired the Ethos technique. I worked in Wealth Management for years people are sick of being lied and had their own trust taken from them. I am the one that patches that up in my field of Reiki and Meditation. Which I do indeed see as a need in the Busy CEO Arena's. I have been in Business Meetings where deadlines are sometimes made overnight so I surely know the Stress Levels which have an impact on your mind. Thanks again Warm Regards Vivienne

  • Rajasekhar Vv 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Very intersting view point on a topic that interests everyone and stumps everyone. The attributes of clarity for purpose of communication, desired outcomes, thinking on feet and active listening are also very important. Rarely, the mode of communication is one-way and more often, it is interactive and multi-lateral. Hence, going with the flow and making necessary corrections to the pre-determined messages makes the communication very effective

  • Sheetalsharma 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Pathos, Ethos and Logos are sure shot three elements of great communication, combined together they have the potential to pave the way for effective communication between every leader and his team. Kulwinder Singh- my boss at Synechron, has all three elements embedded in hi style of leadership which ensures active communication in his team.

  • Doug Weaver 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Scott, I've taught the concepts of Ethos, Pathos and Logos in sales workshops for more than 15 years.  You get so much right in your coverage, but I need to take gentle but firm exception on a couple of fronts.  First, I believe that Aristotle was focused not only on the broad principle of communication, but rather on the narrow point of persuasion.  Second, he believed that these three elements needed to be established sequentially:  in other words, ethos had to be established, then the emotional connection of pathos and finally the logos -- the details, the rational argument, etc.  If you got things out of order, persuasion would fail.

    On a personal note, I have to also differ with your interpretation of Ethos.  You claim at the outset of the post to establish your ethos (translated not as "credibility" by the way, but as "character" as in "ethics" or "ethical") by listing your credentials.  This is exactly what I tell audience NOT to do.  As soon as you start talking about yourself, you lose them.  Rather, start by describing a situation or an issue that I face.  Identify with your audience and their concerns.  The story they want to hear is about THEM, not about you.

    Despite our interpretive differences, thanks for raising this important concept.

  • NA 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Very fascinating, although I do find it interesting, given the content of your second paragraph, that you begin your post with a note about yourself and the "more than 15 years" experience you have teaching effective communication.  This certainly seems like a very effective appeal to "ethos," as interpreted and espoused by Mr. Edinger in the article!

  • Greg D. Basham 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    My reading of the article is that you can't have one of these elements (ethos, pathos, and logos) without the others to truly establish communication between communicator and recipient(s). If these elements are consciously present there will be dialogue and mutually shared perceptions.

    Reading some of the comments and our differing takes reminds me of another very old parable of the six blind men and the elephant which I believes dates back to the late 1800s in India.  We know that the six weren't an inclusive group as we try to do things today but each gets a different take on what they are touching and the lessons learned from that are a good reminder to us even today. Maybe a woman in the group might have reached a proper conclusion but I digress.

    Scott Edinger makes a useful contribution despite looking back to an earlier time for guidance.

  • Mitch4chat 3 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    A degree in communications and you are using the words from a figure thousands of years old. That may sound synical and I apologise but I want to read new things, new experiences, new discoveries, news ways to work, to grow.
    Tell me something new

  • Paul Lanigan 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    @Mitch - try mastering the old before looking for the new. 

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Mitch4Chat,

    Old ideas applied in current contexts, timeless principles instantiated in present realities; those happen to be the source of new ideas. You don't sound cynical. But perhaps looking closer will help you to see how these ideas can apply to strengthen your communication ability.

    Scott

  • Orf 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Thank you for sharing this valuable insight. However, I do believe that communication is a two way process. Applying those three methods alone doesn't necessarily guarantee you deliver the information that's meant to be delivered through out a certain medium. One must indulge into more than that to fill in all the gaps between the sender and the receiver. And "elements" are not the appropriate category for this type of research. That's my opinion.

  • Eiric 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Anyone who like to know more about the context that Aristoteles, ethos, pathos, and logos are pulled from, read about rethorics.

  • William17 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Good reminder, thanks

  • rick t 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Case study is President Obama who communicates well via all Emotional.....

  • Ambarish Bhand 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    thanks

  • Rodney Johnson 6 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    This article could just as easily been called the Three Elements of Great Fraud.

    Great fraudsters are also great communicators, they are just communicators who juice up ethos and pathos because logos is lacking. Relying on ethos was the main form of communication before the enlightenment. It is called the 'argument from authority', or "You should give weight to what I'm saying because of who I am." It was heavily used by religious authorities, soothsayers, and other assorted authority figures who had no logos at all. The enlightenment finally broke the chains of the dark ages only because it was able to cast off the argument from authority and look directly, and coldly, at the assertions being made. Fraudsters, of all sorts, don't want you to do this.

    Appealing to emotion is no different. An attempt is made to circumvent normal logical thought by appealing to the parts of the brain that short circuit rational thought. Emotion can lead to good decision making by cutting down on the number of choices to consider, but it can also lead to gross mistakes. How many good decisions have you made when you were angry, sad, hungry, or frustrated? Great advertisers, great fraudsters, and great communicators all do the emotion thing well.

    This article is very valuable. It teaches us to watch out for those who would use pathos and ethos to hoodwink us.

    (Edited by author 3 months ago)

  • Dchilds 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Yours is a true and interesting perspective, and I agree with you, to a degree. However, everything in life is grounded in intention. You always have to consider the environment you are in whenever you are dealing with people. But there are a lot of cold and emotionally clueless people attempting to be leaders in the business environment, and I think the author is speaking to their inability to communicate effectively because of that. Unless those "leaders" figure out how to tap into their own emotional intelligence (or go get some in training), employees and organizations suffer economically. So, I will take my chances with a little more ethos and pathos in the workplace, while using my own logos for discernment as needed. Hey, at least we are talking about it, thanks to this blog.

  • Fredrik Goffhé 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Please note that the smartest communicators / fraudsters rely on logos as much as ethos or pathos! According to Aristotle: the argument need not necessary to be true to be effective, it just needs to appear as if it were true to the audience.

    Best
    Fredrik Goffhe

  • ScottKEdinger 3 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Rodney,

    There is a cynical side to everything and you are correct, great communicators don't always use their abilities for the good of society. Your examples, and I can think of plenty of others, illustrate that.

    Scott

  • Peggyq7767 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Scott, 
    I also enjoyed this article and think it speaks to families as well. But I am asking for your opinion,please...  Is it cynical or prudent of me to judge the speaker first and foremost by the strength/weakness "level of integrity and character"?

    Peggy

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Peggy,

    It isn't cynical at all. Only stating that you prioritize ethos first and foremost as your means of evaluating a speaker. And with good reason, as many have pointed out, character and credibility is the cornerstone. Thanks for your comment.

    Scott

  • Hanjanghoon 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    This is a good theory.
    Telling my experience, simply use your boss words to get ethos or use great people's words - ethos
    Do your interpretation to motivate people to share the direction - logos
    Praise as much as possible and celebrate dones and dream to-be-done -pathos

  • Maria Saralieva 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Excellent article! Many of today’s young executives should
    take the advice of Aristotle instead of mastering the art of talking for hours without
    saying anything.

    Your writing made me think of what would’ve Aristotle said
    if he knew of Facebook, Twitter, etc. …       

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Maria,

    Thanks first of all. And I can only imagine what Aristotle would think of the communication on Facebook. Ha!

    Scott

  • Pavi 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Scott, well communicated article.  I think all three elements what Aristotle considered and what you have mentioned are true key elements. If we can develop and grow these key elements, I think we can be a successful communicator for sure and which is required for successful leader.

  • Shellila Tal 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Great post and hopefully this article reach enough leaders , so it is well used!

  • Ameet Dubey 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    "What you do is so loud in my ears that I cannot hear what you say!"  ....we need to
    really emphasize the role of integrity in making effective communication -
    which this article drives the point well.

     

    Ameet Dubey
    OB Professor
    Leadership Coach & Trainer
    Management Consultant

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Ameet,

    Integrity AND, being a role model and an avatar of what you speak about. All about ethos.

    Scott

  • Alan David Duncan 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Very similar to my Blog post of May 2012: http://informationaction.blogs... Thx ADD

  • Mbugua Macharia 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Brilliant post, thank you.

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    And thank you, Mbugua!

  • John 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Outside of coercion Communication is the primary tool we use to influence. Good communication is perhaps one of the most important business tools today. That said it encompasses Ethos, Pathos and Logos. And they have to be used together and you have to add the feedback loop to ensure understanding. I used to think if I used the perfect syllogism i would rule the world. Ask me how that is working.

    People connect and are moved emotionally (regardless of the logic they use to justify their position.

    Thanks for the post 

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    John,

    To your point, a mentor of mine always says that logic will make people think, but emotion will make them act.

    Scott

  • Guest 3 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Have a fundamental question. What is an effective communication? Is it to do with 'communicating things correctly (and without any loss of information)' or 'communicating right things'?

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Guest,

    My perspective is, in short, that effective communication has everything to do with getting close to sharing the "same things." So that sender and receiver are on the same page. That is the litmus test.

    Scott

  • Hal_9000 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    For me an effective communication is when I'm able to successfully get over the message I'm trying to convey. This includes capturing hearts as well as minds, i.e. the audience understands the sentiment of what I'm saying, as well as the words. I also think there is a relationship aspect to communications. A communication which conveys the message but damages the relationship has not, in my mind, been an effective one.

  • Ozzie Gontang 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Enjoyed reading your article. 

    Wanted to share a quote from my mentor,  Lee Thayer.  In the opening chapter of his book “Communication!:
    A Radically new Approach to Life’s Most Perplexing Problem” he shared:

     “…what “communicates”
    is the interpretation that someone makes of a happening, a situation, an image,
    or an utterance. A person may be listening to you. But what that person is
    hearing is not what you said, but her own interpretation of what you may (or
    may not) have said. All of the actual consequences of any communication
    encounter flow from the interpretations that people make of things. That may or
    may not be what was intended. But the power player in any communication
    situation is the “receiver,” not the “sender.”

    “…Never mistake your interpretation for reality. Just know
    that you have to live with the consequences of how you, and others, interpret
    things.   What “communicates’” is whatever a person pays attention to and
    however she interprets it. You do not control her interpretations, nor does she
    control yours. That’s how the process works. If you have a different conception
    of the process, you may want to consider this one. It has far fewer bumps in
    the road, fewer problems.”

    The 9 or 10 books Lee’s written in the past  5 or 6 years contain the seminal ideas he’s
    been sharing on Communication, Leadership and 
    high performance organizations for the past 45 years.  And most people have never heard of him. 

     

  • Drekintu 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Like the ethos, pathos, logos, approach and have used it for over 20 years. It becomes even more powerful when we pay more attention to the disposition (and role) of the other party (or parties) in the communication. It takes at least two to tang...

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Agreed, Drekintu. The power of communication is in understanding the perspective of others.

  • Mr Kaan 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Impressive what the ancient Greek philosophers could come up with. But imagine a person in today's society doing nothing except thinking about these issues (and having access to the business world), the insights provided would be astounding.

    //Mr Kaan

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    If only there were a job opportunity for a business philosopher, Mr. Kaan! :-)

  • Patrick Jeandrain 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    You can't beat ancient Greek philosophers. As for the logos, I may argue that the reason is not as important as the perception of reason your audience will have from your communication. Both the medium and the type of audience will influence that perception. If you are airing your message on TV, a steady, calm and uninterrupted flow will work wonders. But I guess I am just diving into rhetorical arguments. Essentially, I can only agree that credibility, empathy and reason are three pillars of great communications.

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Patrick, 

    As it relates to logos, the perception of logos as you astutely point out is critical. This is why we can have politicians in both of our major parties in the U.S. arguing logical points that neither side can agree with.

    Scott

  • Malfried 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    I have to agree with Nikki. I think you take concepts that have much more depth and strip them to fit your piece. Consequently, it shows that you know absolutely zero about Aristotle or the words you incorrectly apply. Sorry to be so candid, but it comes off as trite and doesn't give me confidence in what you're saying. 

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Malfried,

    To say I know nothing about Aristotle seems uncalled for and ad hominem to me. I respect your view that perhaps I stripped out important details about Ethos, Pathos, and Logos. My intent was to make those timeless principles applicable today with current ideas. Certainly, these ideas have much more depth and could be expanded further, yet the ideas are properly applied.

    Scott

  • thegreeks 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Nice to see Rhetoric becoming popular again.

  • Swapna Unni 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Good Post!
    Old methods are the best!. I believe that-" The more elaborate our means of communication. the less we communicate."

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Thank you, Swapna. Old sometimes means they have simply been tested over time. Principles are often timeless.

  • SALIM 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    No doubt that old golden rules are applicable in most of the current situations with minor changes and new technique of effective communications.

  • Sangeetha_menon 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Awesome Article..... Old is Gold Proven again this article....Ethos, Pothos,Logos ---EPL concept surely win for Professional

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Everything old is new again!

  • Arsic_jelena 3 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Amazing read! We SHOULD be reminded, once in a while, of these classical rhetorical theories!
    Since you have mentioned a degree in communication studies - I have a question. I need a piece of advice actually. Is there a summer course, a programme, a degree... for people from abroad to undertake that you're familiar with? I'm very passionate about public speaking skills, and this summer is the only time in my life when I could disregard the "real thing" (law) and dedicate myself to my hobby.Thanks in advance, your advice would be precious for me.

  • Ken Groh 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Scott is laying the foundation of effective communication. Establish your credibility (and avoid losing it as it is even harder to get back, right Mitt?). Know your audience, listen and be sure to answer the big question: "What's-in-it-for-me?" Use accurate facts (or the fact-checkers will ding your credibility). I like that Scott reached back to Aristotle to draw attention to these credos, they are so basic. I wish that more business leaders would be more aligned with the philosophers than by shareholders and greed.

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Most universities will offer both fundamentals of speech and principles of speech in their summer curricula. 

    Good luck!

  • Claire 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Simple, clear - thanks. I will be sharing 

  • UKeng 3 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Scott,
    I can not believe in 20 years you never found a leader that was never told he communicates too well!
    I have 8 years of professional experience and I met at least a couple of amazing communicators. One of them got rewarded with a medal for communicating Science to the general public. I agree in principle with the three element theory, but it is hard for people to think about ethos, pathos and logos in their everyday life.... I believe that is only by looking at great communicators, listening to their speeches, working with them (if you are lucky enough!), trying to follow their examples and being open to honest feedback, one can improve his style.  
    Would you able to indicate anyone that in your opinion is a great communicator and convey all the three elements?

  • ScottKEdinger 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    UKeng,

    I have genuinely never been told someone communicates too much or is too good at it. I have worked with many leaders who are excellent in this area, but never have I heard they were too good or did it too much. 

    The first great communicator that came to mind was Oprah Winfrey having watched her demonstrate many of these skills last night in her interview with Lance Armstrong.

    Scott

  • UKeng 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Thank you Scott for the suggestion. 
    I have not watched the interview as I do not care about Armstrong, but now I'll watch it for Oprah. 

  • Hal_9000 5 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Thanks for the positive comments Scott. Other things readers might want to look at are how to deal with 'Cats' vs 'Dogs' and 'Palms Up vs Palms Down' body language. I've found both techniques to be incredibly simple and very effective. Another 'top tip' is that, when presenting, walk from one side of the stage to the other when changing slides. It tells the audience that you've moved on. Stand up comedians do this all the time to great effect. A few simple techniques like this can really aid communication, as can improving listening skills by using techniques like 'empathic listening' as recommended by Steven Covey. In terms of what doesn't work, I never really got much (if anything) out of NLP. Maybe that's just me.

  • Noktis Hart 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Sup Mr.9000? Those are great techniques. Aristotle will be pleased with your excellent techniques. As for your comment on this article, I believe Scott was trying to display the tools used by ancient rhetoricians. Correct me if I am wrong Scott. English 306 Rules!!!!!

  • Ian Brownlee 3 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Hal,
    One of the main reasons that stand-up comedians move so much is that they have an "adrenalin high" - In psychology, we have what are known as spatial and temporal anchors and our communication in each place is related to where & when we communicate and what the message is.
    Also, Body language is idiosyncratic and is different for everyone. In order to correctly interpret any NVC it is necessary to take into account three areas: Culture, Context and Cluster. There are generally physiological changes when people are in a stress situation. These changes include posture, gaze, proximity, orientation and gestures / hands. Using just one indicator such as crossed arrms is a mistake -  for example, It is a freezing cold morning and I am waiting for the bus with my arms folded. Am I negative? Defensive? or just freezing cold trying to keep myself warm? This is where context has to be considered. What is my nationality or where is it happening? this is where culture comes into play. There are many more examples that I could give.
    I suggest that anyone interested in discovering more about NVC investigate the material of the NLP University, FACS (Facial Access Coding System) etc. No specialist in NVC will ever, as far as I know, claim that just one indicator is enough to get a valid interpretation of meaning.
    Also, the study done by Mehrabian in 1979 on communication channels indicates that in face-to-face conversation, 55% of meaning is communicated...

  • Ozzie Gontang 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    J. Maxwell Atkinson in his book: “Lend My Your Ears” quotes a personal email
    from Albert Mehrabian saying the original percentages refer to different types
    of 'liking’ and NOT to communication in all its forms.

    Atkinson includes the
    personal email from Mehrabian send on October 16, 2002: 

    “ Please note that this and other equations regarding
    differential importance of verbal and non-verbal messages were derived from
    experiments dealing with communications of feelings and attitudes (i.e. like-dislike).
    Unless a communicator is talking about their feelings or attitudes, these equations
    are not applicable.”

    Mehrabian explains the experiment in this 5 minutes BBC interview about the
    misrepresentation of his numbers.

    http://www.presentationworks.m...

  • Hal_9000 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Hi Ian,

    You raise some interesting points but for me you're overcomplicating things. Scott's article gives us three areas to look at - Ethos, Pathos and Logos. Ethos can be achieved by understanding behaviour and using appropriate techniques, such as Cat vs Dog. Pathos can be achieved by using appropriate body language (palms up, palms down and empathic listening). Logos can be achieved by using a structured approach to communication. For the majority of people this practical approach will quickly give tangible improvements in their communication skills. Sure there's more to communication that this, but let's start with some straightforward, practical stuff that will serve the vast majority well.

    Re NLP, I understand that this technique has now been discredited. Re stand-up comedians, some will certainly move as a result of adrenalin (e.g. Lee Evans), but some will deliberately move as part of their performance (e.g. John Bishop, Dave Spikey, Peter Kay).

    Jonathan

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  • Ian Brownlee 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Having been involved in international communication skills training for over 35 years, I have noticed that communication style have changed greatly. Nowadays, decisions are often made on the basis of emotional reasons and THEN the decision-maker look for logical reasons to support their emotional decision.
    While possible a bit off-topic, in terms of communication in meetings, here are a couple of useful articles:"When group discussions don’t work, there is an alternative". Fast link:
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  • Ashish Chowdhary 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Amazing way to explain such a vast topic.. Great read.

  • Ladega 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    This is a nice piece that can be applied in all professional field.

  • Richard John, Operations Manager, Computer Programmer, Sound Designer, Creative Director @ REP365 Graphics and Printing, Manager at RJO Ventures, Inc., Co-Founder of Rymatica. 3 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Excellent read here! Didn't realize I was putting these elements into practice for awhile. Funny how you're able to do things and can't explain the theory on your methodical ways.

  • ScottKEdinger 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Richard,

    That is often called unconscious competence. Learning a structure or framework can sometimes help you to replicate what you already do well.Scott

  • Richard John, Operations Manager, Computer Programmer, Sound Designer, Creative Director @ REP365 Graphics and Printing, Manager at RJO Ventures, Inc., Co-Founder of Rymatica. 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    "Unconscious Competence" I like that! Thanks! 

  • Rahoul6 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Isn't silence a part of communication....
    More and more I see emphasis on listening than talking.....I guess listening would be a part of pathos ?.....

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Exactly, listening, clarifying, confirming...all a part of pathos.

    Scott

  • Hal_9000 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Forgot to say...I would also encourage people to look at the 'pyramid approach' to communication by Barbara Minto, particularly in relation to business communications. Essentially this involves starting with the most important part of the communication first, rather than using the 'logical development' approach of context, description, conclusion. Hope this helps.

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Hal_9000. Agree, Barbara Minto's Pyramid principle is the epitome of applied logos and helping the reader or listener get the logical flow of ideas.

    Scott

  • Ridwan 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Though it was stated by Aristotle a thousand years ago, it will always relevant to us. In another words, integrity as leading by sample, personal approach to the unique member of team and then using database and logical thinking to make a solution. What a great article !. Thanks Scott.

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Ridwan,

    Everything old is new again!

    Thanks,

    Scott

  • Hal_9000 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    When I think about communication I always think about 'appropriate' communication. This involves thinking about the audience, the tone of the message, writing style, method of delivery etc. Timing is another key factor. If any of these elements are wrong, then the impact of the communication can be lost or, worse still, the communication may have the opposite effect to that intended - instead of encouraging action it hacks people off to the point that they positively object to the action proposed. Tone is particularly important in the modern world of electronic messaging, and I would encourage people to sit back and consider 'is an e-mail the best way to communicate this message, or should I go and deliver this message in person'.

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    All good points, hal_9000, and each fit into the ethos, pathos, logos, framework.

    Scott

  • Purplecto331@yahoo.com 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Here's one thing that might be a nice way to assertain great ecumenical and essentuate a non socio pathology towards a proprietal buisness there are no are no second chances in life along with don't really like that no dice jack when it comes to better pizza better price I like papa johns. Don't hate on papa john green peppers!!!!

  • Jay Oza, We help companies bring their innovation to market within 90 days to increase their market valuation. We do it by using 5 Tool Methodology that integrates sales. marketing, partnerships, customer development and agile/lean methodology. 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand


    Good post since you got me thinking.  I am going to disagree.  

    Communication is not that important in changing people's minds.  It is way overrated.  Communication is often falsely attributed to leaders' success.

    I will provide few examples:

    Lincoln won the debates against Douglass but lost the Senate seat (twice) to Douglass.  Douglass had a better position on slavery according to the populace. 

    Romney beat Obama in the first debate in 2012 presidential election according to all experts, including Obama, yet lost the election since he did not have a strong position with the populace on key issues.  If he had won the election, it would have been falsely attributed to his great first debate performance.

    Last example is Obama's Solicitor General.  He did not make a strong case for ACA in front of the SCOTUS. Lot of people thought, including Intrade, that SCOTUS was going to rule against ACA.  It didn't.

    People like great communicators since they are very entertaining, but do not sway people in changing their position,  That takes a very long time, if ever.  

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Jay,

    We'll have to agree to disagree then. Even in your examples, which are subjective, communication played a strong influencing factor. Logos and substance are important and a key part of communication. But I appreciate your dissenting opinion.

    Scott

  • Fabiola 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Aristotle is right, I am very glad to see that managers study Aristotle. 

  • Scott 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Nikki,

    I did my best to address your concern with my specific examples on ethos by highlighting that one way this is done is when leaders display integrity and character. Ethos of course as the root of ethics, (which is the cornerstone of credibility.) 

    Scott

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Nikki,
    I did my best to address your concern with my specific examples on ethos by highlighting that one way this is done is when leaders display integrity and character. Ethos of course as the root of ethics, (which is the cornerstone of credibility.) 
    Scott

  • David Kaiser, Executive Coach, Workshop Facilitator, Tarot Enthusiast 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Good to have lots of tools in your tool box. 

    David Kaiser, PhD
    Executive Coach
    www.DarkMatterConsulting.com

  • Mike Mowery 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Well said. 

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Thanks, Mike!

  • Mitch McCrimmon, Executive assessment and coaching consultant, avid leadership student 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand

    Good advice from Aristotle for getting your message across but, unfortunately, it reinforces the common belief that communication is mainly a one-way exercise. In my experience too many managers have a heroic mindset by which I mean that they take an excessive amount of ownership for everything, including communicating messages. For example, heroic managers feel they need to do most of the talking in a performance review meeting. In my view, a more effective method, what might be called a coaching style of communication, is based on the manager doing more asking than telling with the objective of trying to get employees to think through their performance issues and solutions for themselves. This fosters more ownership because the employees develop their own performance improvement plans.

    The art of fostering good two-way communication is not just about listening better, it's about asking good open questions, variations on "What do you think?" See my article, "A Hero at Work" for more on these themes: http://www.lead2xl.com/a-hero-...

  • ScottKEdinger 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    Hi Mitch,

    I'd suggest that Pathos and making an emotional connection is very much a two way endeavor involving listening, clarifying, and confirming.

    Scott

  • Nikki 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand

    I understand your effort to explain the ideas of Aristotle in the business discourse. However, I feel like the finesse gets lost in your piece, which is essential to a good understanding of these 3 concepts indeed so essential to communication. Especially ethos I would not describe as credibility but leading by example in good, right, behavior. 

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