IMDB国外影迷对张艺谋《长城》的评价~

2017-02-18

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The Great Wall

IMDB国外影迷对张艺谋《长城》的评价~

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A Very Entertaining Film
Author: captainpat from Sydney
29 December 2016
As a constant film goer I was really impressed with this film. It was entertaining. The story worked well. The acting was great. And the effects were really impressive. I watched it on a big screen in Bangkok and enjoyed the experience. The sound was equally impressive.
I just can't understand why the really negative reviews abound. Some are cursing it for having foreign actors. Others about the political situation etc. And the poor director is even getting a caning.
The story is about a legend. And it was wonderful to just sit back and let someone tell a story. I nearly didn't go because of all the bad reviews but I am glad I went and made up my own mind.
Go and see it.

一部非常有娱乐性的电影
作者：captainpat from 悉尼
2016-12-29
作为一个忠实的电影迷，我对此片印象深刻。很精彩，故事不错，演绎也棒。特效让人真是让人印象深刻。我在曼谷看的大屏幕，十分享受。音效特别棒。
我不理解为何有负面评价存在，有些人抱怨用了外国演员，另一些对政治指手画脚，甚至可怜的导演也挨了板砖。
坐在影院后排看人讲述一段传奇故事，这感觉，相当美好。看了所有的差评，我差点没去看，但所幸我还是去了，有了自己的判断。
去看吧。

There are many legends about The Great Wall, this is one of them...
Author: Dan Mihai from Craiova
26 December 2016
I just saw it in Romania in a good 3d cinema. The movie tells a legend. And it tells it so beautifully! The cinematography is breathtaking and for all the duration I was more than a movie spectator, I felt part of that legend, a character from that story, present among the troops defending the wall. If a movie succeeds in delivering such an experience, the rest is not important anymore.
In this point, I don t care anymore about plot holes or historical inaccuracies, because I came to cinema to see a fantasy, a Chinese legend with monsters and heroes. And there I was, in a war story, set in a different world, filled with amazing elements of the old Chinese culture, surrounded by exceptional warriors, beautiful landscapes and bloodthirsty monsters. I am very saddened to see the negativity among critics and public surrounding this movie. Complaining about historical inaccuracies or being racist about the mix of races is so misplaced. I hope people will go see it and ignore the bad criticism and prejudices about it.

关于长城的传奇有很多，这是其中之一...
作者: Dan Mihai from 克拉约马（罗马尼亚）
2016-12-26
我是在罗马尼亚一家不错的3D电影院看的。电影讲述的是一段非常美的传奇故事。电影技术惊人到让我感到不再只是一个观众，而是成为故事的一个角色，参与了这场传奇，成为军队的一员，一起保卫长城。如果电影能做到这点，其他的都不再重要了。
基于这一点，我不在意情节漏洞或者史实误差，因为，我来电影院就是来看一场关于中国怪兽和英雄的奇幻传奇的。且在这里，在一个战争故事里，在一个不同的世界中，充满令人惊奇的中国文化元素，被优秀的战士、绝美的风景、嗜血的怪兽包围。非常伤心看到批评者和大众对这部电影表现出的消极，如抱怨历史误差，或者种族主义情绪。我希望大家去观看，且无视那些负面评价，自己公正的评价。

[copy]Good Story, lots of action
Author: lennybuttz from Green Bay WI, U.S.
30 December 2016
From the description I read of the movie, it sounded kind of strange and I wasn't sure it was something I really wanted to watch. I'm glad I did. It's an old legend or story. Is it real? I don't know, is Santa Claus real? Does it matter if it is true or accurate? Not to me, it is a well written movie with some incredible action. The visuals are stunning to say the least. The costumes are incredible and I am very happy that most of the movie wasn't filmed in the dark which seems to have become the habit of Hollywood these past few years.
It is sad to see Matt Damon growing old but he still did a great job, I wonder how long he's going to be able to keep up doing physically demanding roles. If I am totally honest I would have liked the movie with a younger man in the lead role, that would have been a little more believable to me.
I totally recommend this movie, it has fantasy, action a tiny bit of romance so your girl can appreciate it, most of all it raises a lot of emotion. There were several times during the movie I was on the edge of my seat holding my breath anticipating the next moment.

好故事，动作戏很多
作者: lennybuttz from 格林湾（美国）
2016-12-30
就我读到的电影简介来看，很奇怪，我不太确定这是我想看的东西。所幸我还是看了。是个古老的传奇故事。这是真实的吗？我不知道，圣诞老人是真实的吗？真假又有什么关系？不止对我，对所有人来说它都是一部编剧很棒的动作大戏。至少画面是很出色的。服装精美绝伦，且很高兴能看到此片的大部分（情节）都不像近年来的好莱坞大片那样不知所云。
看到马特达蒙日渐老去真让人伤心，但他做的依然好，我想知道他为了胜任这种动作角色准备了多久。老实说，我更喜欢年轻点的演员做主角，这更能说服我。
我完全推荐这部电影，有幻想，有动作，外加一点罗曼蒂克，你的妹子会欣赏它的，最重要的，它提起你的情绪。观影中有好几次，我都坐做在椅子边上屏住呼吸预料下一幕。

Amazing visual display and acceptable level of clear plot
Author: Thomas Tang from Ningbo, China
30 December 2016
The Great Wall is truly a visual feast so would better to watch on 3D or IMAX. Some Chinese spectators have criticised its poor story and plot. However, I don't think it is necessary to design a rather complicated story as it has to tailor towards the audiences on the globe not just for Chinese preference that non-Chinese may be uninterested in ,or that may be difficult for them to understand. So non-Chinese audiences are able to capture at least the big picture of the whole story behind. This is a well trade-off for film makers, balancing the plot to an acceptable level for international audiences.
I cant understand why so many Chinese 'audiences'(they did not even watch it before making comments) pretending to be international voters with broken English, are lopsidedly voting 1 and making negative comments here without any constructive and objective ideas.And even more ridiculous,they then go back to Chinese movie - grading website, with a screenshot of their own 1 star derogatory comments, misleadingly saying that foreigners also unlike the great wall as they do.
Some even said this is a fake story. Come on haters, it is said at the beginning of the movie that this is based on one of the legend (a fairy tale) of The Great Wall.I don't think its a point to discuss it.
Overall, I would award 9/10 the reminder 1/10 would be the length duration. It is exciting but too short. If it could extend to around 2 hours and add certain level of plot that would be awesome.
Hope to see more Hollywood-style movies with Chinese historical and cultural elements in the future.

惊奇的视觉效果，可接受的情节设置
作者: Thomas Tang from 宁波（中国）
2016-12-30
《长城》真乃一场视觉盛宴，所以最好还是看3D或者IMAX。一些中国观众批评其情节薄弱。然而我认为没必要设计更复杂的情节，因为本片是为全球观众量身定做的，并非中国观众优先，要使外国观众感兴趣，不能让他们太难理解。这样外国观众才能抓住整部电影背后的概略。这是制作者考虑到国际观众可接受水平的一种权衡。
我不能理解为什么这么多中国“观众”（他们在评论前甚至都没看过）假装国际投票者，操着他们的破英语打1分，一点建设性意见和客观评价都没有。更可笑的是，他们将1分差评截屏，发到中国电影评分网站，误导国人说外国人跟他们一样也不喜欢《长城》。
有些人甚至说故事假。得了吧，故事开头就说明了这是个关于长城的美丽传说。我认为这不是讨论的点。
总之，我会给电影打9分，就电影长度扣1分。电影很棒，就是太短。如果电影延长到2小时左右，加点情节，就更好了。
希望未来能看到更多中国历史和文化元素的好莱坞电影。[/copy]

I enjoy it a lot. Ignore the critics.
Author: najibmb from Singapore
31 December 2016
I can't stand these unfair and unreliable reviews.
So, this is my first review for a Chinese film. I would say I felt the same feeling of excitement when I watched Lord of the rings (LOTR). I even like The Great Wall more than the hobbit.
We've watch hundreds of movies with bad reviews and we knew that as long a film has at least one 10/10 fair review, don't hesitate to watch a movie. Ignore the noise of negative people. Let them get sick with their views.
This is great movie that combines history and fiction. Enjoy it! Just like what the actors said.. 'TRUST'!!!

很享受，无视批评者
作者: najibmb from 新加坡
2016-12-31
我不能忍受这些不公平不可靠的评论。
这是我第一次看中国电影。我想说我有跟看《指环王》时一样的感觉，甚至，我较之霍比特更喜欢这部长城。
我们看过上百部差评电影就会知道只要有一个人打10分，就不要犹豫，去看这部片。无视那些负面评论者的声音，让他们带着他们的评论见鬼去吧。
这是部伟大的电影，兼有历史和想象。享受它，就像片中演员说的...“信任”。

Not a masterpiece for sure, yet enjoyable
Author: saeerdna
2 January 2017
If you don't have any expectations, this film might surprise you a bit. I really liked the special effects, even if I started laughing when I first saw the antagonists.
Most scenes between battles were quite awkward, full of clichés. Yet, once the battle begins, any cliché this film might have is really fun to watch and not at all annoying.
What I hated the most was the unfortunate English accent... used during the Song dynasty (960-1279).
Overall, the plot is quite linear and simple and is centered around one important moment. Character development was welcoming, but not impressive and definitely not unexpected. The best part was not fulfilling the love sub-plot, even though I half expected this and I would have been really disappointed if it had happened.
Anyway, it was an enjoyable film with better 3D effects than I expected and many other films, so give it a try. But be open minded and admire what is to be admired.

不算杰作，但也很享受
作者： saeerdna
2017-01-02
如果你不报期望，这部电影可能会给你点小惊喜。我真的很喜欢它的特效，即使当我看到敌方时开始大笑。
战斗间隙的场景十分尴尬，充满老套。而一旦战斗开始，陈词滥调也变的有趣，不再令人厌烦。
我最不爽的是糟糕的英语口音...用在宋朝 (960-1279)。
总之，情节十分简单，就围绕在某一重要场景。角色的发展挺受人欢迎，但不算令人印象深刻，也完全不意外。最好的部分没有让爱情这一次要情节丰满起来，尽管我还是期望，就算真的发生，我还是会失望吧。
无论如何，这是部比我期待的要好的也比很多其他电影要好的爽片，所以，可以看看。但是要持开放的心态，欣赏值得欣赏的。

A good balance of East and West
Author: phd_travel from United States
9 January 2017
First of all this is a movie about fighting monsters - not a fact based historical epic. So don't take it that seriously and you'll have an okay time. The great wall is the center of a fight against some invading dragon dinosaur like creatures.
There have been criticisms of having a white hero in the lead role. But it's just a monster movie so take it easy. There should have been more of the 'saving' done by Chinese characters but to be fair they did make the white people look scruffy and the Chinese ones pretty/handsome. Matt Damon does look kind of short and puffy here compared to the Chinese cast. Liked Pedro Pascal the excellent detective Pena from Narcos as Matt's partner in crime. Tian Jing is a feisty enough female commander. So all is fair race wise in this war.
Overall there is a good balance between East and West. A Western screenplay by Max Brooks keeps things going quickly without the irritating self sacrifice and slow dialog of the recent Jackie Chan Adrien Brody movie. Director Zhang Yimou is known for extravaganzas and sometimes the action does look circus acrobat like. But it's not too bad - the excessive slow motion deaths and explosions that plague some Chinese movies isn't such a problem here.

东西方的绝好平衡
作者: phd_travel from 美国
2017-01-09
首先这是个打怪的电影，不是基于事实的史诗。别那么严肃，放轻松。长城是抵抗一种龙和恐龙混合型生物进攻的核心。
有些人批判其中有个白人英雄做主角。但这只是个怪兽电影，所以还是平常心吧。为了平衡，他们将白人弄得邋里邋遢，而华人演员都漂亮英俊。对比华人演员，马特达蒙看起来矮小且浮肿。达蒙的搭档，《毒枭》里饰演杰出侦探Pena的佩德罗·帕斯卡也一样。景甜是个精力足够充沛的女指挥官。这场战斗智慧地体现了种族公平。
总之东西方有一个很好的平衡。Max Brooks的西方剧本让情节快速推进，没有让人不爽的自我牺牲，也没有最近成龙和阿德里安·布罗迪电影中的那种慢节奏对话。张艺谋作为一位大型娱乐表演的导演为人熟知，有时拍的动作戏看起来像马戏团的杂技。但还不算太坏--一直困扰中国电影的那些爆炸和死亡的慢镜头在这里也不算问题。

This movie simply tries to do too many things at once
Author: Kevin-42 from somewhere out there
29 December 2016
First of all, this movie does a lot of things right. The costume designs are great, the set designs are very convincing and the CGI is, although not cutting edge, up to modern standards in film-making. The music score could have been better but maybe the composer had a Chinese audience in mind.
The acting will not win any Oscars but we see some genuine moments of emotion and bonding and believe it or not but there are one or two scenes with a good suspense arc. Moreover, Jing Tian has a nice smile and looks really fine in uniform. That might be my own idiosyncratic standard but an attractive female lead certainly adds to the 'positives'.
With all that praise then, why does it fall short of being a truly great movie? As my summary indicates it is simply overloaded with too many plot devices. It's a hero/East meets West/monster/action/tale of betrayal and redemption/romance/fantasy movie loaded with Chinese symbolism capped by a rather weak, anticlimactic and hurried cookie-cutter ending. The audience never has enough time to get emotionally invested in the characters. The script tries but there simply isn't enough time to do it all and eventually the movie does too little to explore any of the plot elements and characters.
Nevertheless, it is not a bad movie and certainly not ambitious enough to deserve any of the vitriol people read into the story without ever watching the movie. I was entertained but not really awestruck.

简单来说电影想一股脑儿做的事情太多
作者: Kevin-42 from 不知道是哪里
2016-12-29
首先，这部电影很多事情做对了。服装设计很棒，道具设计也有说服力，至于画面，虽不算顶尖，但也达到了电影制作的现代水平。音乐得分本可以更高的，可能作曲者潜意识里是要面对中国观众吧。
表演不会获奥斯卡奖项，但我们也看到了一些纯粹感情碰撞的桥段，无论信与不信，有那么一两个灵光闪现的时刻。此外，景甜笑起来很甜，穿起军装也很好看。可能是我比较奇怪的标准吧，但一个吸引人的女领导当然增加了些积极性。
褒扬完后，它作为一部真正伟大的电影又有哪些不足呢？正如我表明的，情节设置过于臃肿，此片涵括英雄/东西方碰撞/怪兽/动作/背叛故事/以及救赎/罗曼史/幻想，又以薄弱的、虎头蛇尾的、仓促的、千篇一律的结尾来致敬中国式的象征主义。观众根本没有足够时间将感情投入给角色。剧本做了努力，但还是不够时间，最后电影在角色和情节上的挖掘太少。
然而，电影还不算太坏，对于还没看过的刻薄观众来说不够有雄心。本片很有娱乐性，但也不足以令人肃然起敬。

[copy]I've never thought it would be THIS good...
Author: Darryl Lazakar from Pontianak, West Borneo, Indonesia
14 January 2017
*** This review may contain spoilers ***
I'll be honest, I thought that this movie will be very bad. Came out in the month where movies expected to be blessed with negative reviews, it was no surprise that I thought it would be one of those ill-fated movies.
In the end, I've underestimated it.
'The Great Wall' follows William (Matt Damon), a mercenary who tries to obtain the 'Black Powder', a deadly explosive, only to get caught in a battle against monsters that awakens every 60 years. For those who doubt that it will be good, mark my words: Don't underestimate this movie. The movie was a surprise all the way to finish. The acting was great, The visuals were amazing, the cinematography was breathtaking, and the action were incredible. Matt Damon as always gives a fine performance as the hero (Heck, even his Mandarin, although only a word, is very good). Andy Lau were also great as Strategist Wang in his first Hollywod movie. The biggest surprise was the female lead played by Jing Tian, she's really good and surprisingly, pretty fluent in English. William Dafoe (I not expect him to be in this movie) is also very great. Lu Han (Yes EXO-L's! It's EXO's Luhan!) is a scene stealer. Although he has a small role, He's very good at acting and truly one of my favorite characters in the movie. My criticism was it's plot. It's basic idea is like Independence Day with Chinese culture mix. Although it actually worked very well, but *SPOILER ALERT!!!* Kill the queen or we all die?', come on writers, you can do better than this. Another one is the length. A 100 minute movie isn't enough for a story with this kind of scale. If only the studio made it like 2 hours, it would be better for more character development and understanding the story.
Additionally, I don't understand all the negative reviews, especially from Chinese audiences. I'm a Chinese-Indonesian, and I absolutely love this movie. I saw criticism about the main lead being American. I'm telling you, there are 5 main leads in the movie, and *SPOILER ALERT!!!* 3 of them are Chinese, Plus most of the focus IMO are directed to the Chinese main characters. Another one is that the movie isn't based on the legend of The Great Wall. This is a fantasy movie, so of course it's not! The film even mentioned it in the beginning!!! To me, these negative reviews are purely hate for this movie. I think that most of them haven't seen the movie and simply hate it for no reason.
Overall it was a surprisingly good movie, and arguably one of the greater movies in January. If you want to see a fantasy movie, this is a perfect movie for you

从没想到会这么好
作者: Darryl Lazakar from 印度尼西亚
2017-01-14
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老实说，我以为这部电影会非常糟糕。拜负面评论所赐，不出意外又是部烂片。
最后，我失算了。
《长城》讲述一个叫威廉（马特达蒙）的雇佣兵想窃取被称为“黑火药”的致命炸药，黑火药只能在对付一种60年苏醒一次的怪兽的战斗中获取。对怀疑这部电影不好看的人，这是我的评论：不要低估这部电影。这部电影从头到尾都是惊喜。动作很棒，视效令人震惊，激动人心。动作戏让人觉得不可思议。马特达蒙将一个英雄饰演的很到位（他的普通话也非常好，尽管只有一个单词）。刘德华在他第一部好莱坞大片里将王军师这个角色演绎的也很好。最大的惊喜是演女头领的景甜，她的表现出人意料的好，英语非常流利。威廉.达福（不希望他出现在这部戏里）也非常棒。鹿晗（没错，就是EXO的鹿晗）很抢镜。尽管他只是个小角色，但非常擅长演戏，真的是此片我最喜欢的角色之一。我批评的是情节。基本上就是一部混有中国文化的《独立日》。尽管做的不错，但“杀死兽王，否则我们都得死？”（剧透），得了吧编剧，你可以做的更好。另一个就是电影的长度。这种规模的电影100分钟根本不够。如果做到2小时，对于角色发展和故事理解可能会更好。
此外，不太理解所有的负面评论，尤其是来自中国观众的。我是个华裔印尼人，我绝对喜欢这部电影。我看到关于主演是美国人的批评。那我告诉你，电影里有5个主角（剧透），其中3个都是中国人，在我看来，大部分焦点都在中国主演身上。另一个是批评电影并非建立在真实长城的传奇上。这是个奇幻片，当然不是了！电影开头就提到了。对我来说，这些负面评论者纯粹是恨这部电影。我想他们大部分都还没看过这部电影，只是毫无理由的恨。[/copy]

A visual feast, excellent sound design and performance
Author: kaitang-60542
8 January 2017
*** This review may contain spoilers ***
I don't remember the last time I felt a movie was too short. This movie kept me entertained all the way. The chemistry between Matt and Pedro is great. The Chinese actors were good, they weren't supposed to speak perfect English. Their facial s were good and the directing is better than a lot of similar popcorn movies.The sound design rumbled the theater and in a fog fight scene, I felt like I was there with Matt and Pedro in the mist. SJWs complain about race, like they always do. They attack anything from China as the guardian always do, nothing new. They ask for 'character development' because they want to sound smart.Since when did popcorn movies have a deep plot? You don't judge a pop song with classical standards. If you do, it means you don't know what you are talking about and you are trying to pass of as a pro. And why look at rotten tomatoes when the movie is not even out in the west? That proves they just want to troll. Good critics would never asks for historical accuracy in a popcorn fantasy. What they want is 'Shindler's list' in Star wars costumes because they forget their age and Spielberg would never be so confused. This movie was made for a wide audience.Not just a specific group. Comic relief tells you to not take it so seriously. It was meant for pure visual and audio spectacle. As Zhang's Beijing Olympics opening. And Zhang did a great job with a script he didn't write. He and Ang Lee are two rare directors that can transition comfortably between east and west. All in all, I was entertained for almost two hours without boredom. In my theater no one got up to leave. They stayed for the ending soundtrack and credits. Everyone seems like they could use another half an hour of film. I have never seen this before.

一场视觉盛宴，优秀的声乐和表演

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