【问与答】不通过自我控制和自我修炼，怎么可能获得解放？

Question: Must one be free of craving in order to attain liberation? If so, how can liberation be attained without the exercise of self-control and self-discipline?

问：为了获得解放，人是不是必须摆脱欲望？如果是这样，那么不通过践行自我控制和自我修炼怎么可能获得解放呢？

KRISHNAMURTI: Craving without understanding creates conflict, and to escape from this suffering there is a search for truth, happiness, liberation. So instead of looking for liberation, for truth, let us concern ourselves with that which is more familiar to us—conflict and suffering—with the actuality rather than with illusions which offer us convenient escapes, shelters. So let us concern ourselves with the cause of suffering. The very desire, conscious or unconscious, to avoid suffering, to find a substitute for it and to cultivate its opposite, brings about the lack of comprehension of the present.

克里希那穆提：未经了解的欲望会制造冲突，为了逃避这种痛苦，人就去追求真理、幸福和解放。所以与其寻求解放、寻找真理，我们自己不如来关注一下我们更为熟悉的事物——冲突和痛苦，关注现实，而不是那些给我们方便的逃避之道和庇护的幻象。所以我们自己来关注一下痛苦的根源。不管我们有意还是无意，避免痛苦，找到替代品，并培养痛苦的对立面，这种愿望本身，就会导致对现在缺乏理解。

The many prejudices, limitations, that the mind has built around itself in its search for self-protections, create sorrow when they come into contact with the ever-living quality of experience. This suffering is not to be overcome through self-discipline and self-control, but when the mind frees itself from the self-protective limitations and illusions, there is the ecstasy of life. This liberation from the false, from the stupid, is not to be realized through self-analysis, but in the awareness of action itself.

头脑在追求自我保护之道时，在自己周围建立起众多的偏见和局限，当它们遭遇鲜活生动的经验时，就会产生悲伤。这种痛苦无法通过自我修炼和自我控制来克服，而是，当头脑自身摆脱了自我保护的局限和幻象时，就有了生命的狂喜。这种从谬误和愚蠢之中的解放，无法通过自我分析来实现，而是出现在对行动本身的觉察之中。

Self-discipline is but conformity to an established form of escape, an ideal, and in this there is no intelligence. Awareness, that discernment without conformity, without compulsion, reveals the illusions and hindrances which are concealed, preventing the mind from the fullness of action, which alone makes of life an eternal becoming.

自我修炼只不过是对某种既定的逃避方式、某种理想的遵从，其中没有智慧。觉察，没有任何遵从和强迫的洞察力，会揭示出隐藏的幻象和障碍；这些幻象和障碍阻止头脑去完满地行动，而那行动本身就可以使生命成为永恒的发生。

The Art of Listening, Second Talk at Ommen，July 28, 1933

《倾听内心的声音》之“欲求阻碍了洞察力”